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     JFoxtail |
Hi to continue on - I have read a number of well written synopsis (s) about the 4th age. I wonder what roll is there for the Sons of Elrond. it seems under developed. JRRT writes in the apendix the "Celeborn (Galdriels mate) after a while tired of his kingodm of Lorien and East Lorien and dwelt with the sons of Elrond in Imladris" I am pretty sure this is JRRT and not ICE. Memory may be faulty. No books on hand. It would seem that Elronds sons remained in Middle earth and did not pass into the utterwest. As Arwen was queen of Elves and Men in the 4th age - what role to the brothers play? Would they marry into the northern Dunedain line and so too " renew the bloodline of the Kings of men through (Elrond) my loss" ? Or do they become retiring loremasters in Imladris? Or are they Knights errent charged with questing to the east to defeat the designs of the fallen Blue wizards? Thoughts? | ||
| turambur |
It is left vague. I have come to the conclusion that Elrond's sons departed for Valinor sometime between Celeborn moving to Rivendell and the death of Aragorn. My shift is almost over, so I'm not going to take the time to look up the exact quotes now ;)...the passages that led me to such a conclusion are as follows: As you mentioned, it is stated in the Appendixes that Celeborn moves to Rivendell with the twins. //Verifies that Celeborn and the twins resided in Rivendell at that time. In one of JRRT's 'Letters', he states something about their fate not being recorded, however he does say that they 'delayed' their choice, which is immediately followed by the statement that they stayed in ME for 'a while'. //The use of 'delayed' indicates to me that they did make their choice eventually, and the 'a while', I believe, supports that they did eventually leave. At Aragorn's passing, Arwen (or Aragorn...pretty sure it was Arwen  ) makes a statement that indicates Rivendell is now empty. It is also indicated, that when Arwen goes to die in Lorien, that it too is deserted. //So, Celeborn and the twins are gone and they evidently didn't go to Lorien. To me, this also points in the direction of departure. There is also a passage, in Appendix B I believe, that when Celeborn leaves that the last remnant of the Elder Days leaves with him...or something like that. //Not only does this indicate that he DOES leave, but that by the time he leaves Cirdan and any other Eldar 'antiquities' have also gone...further supporting that Lorien and Rivendell are deserted for the greater part. //After Aragorn's death, only Arwen's daughters are there to attempt to placate her...I would thing that if the twins were around, they would have been there for Aragorn's passing and support for Arwen. Legolas (and Gimli) depart for Valinor after Aragorn's death. //Shows that there were still Elves 'bugging out' of ME at that time. I think that is all my support ;). So, my conclusion may not have a foundation of bedrock...but, I don't think it is in quicksand, either :D. Jason btw: Regarding the Blue Wizards, in one of Tolkien's 'Letters' he theorizes that they possibly didn't fail (at least no worse than Radagast). He states that perhaps if the Blue Wizards weren't acting in oppostion to Sauron in the East (and South?), that Sauron would have been able to squash the West at an earlier time. So, it could be imagined that concurrent to the events detailed in RotK concering the WotR, that significant battles may have been fought in the East (and South?) that were influenced by the Blue Wizards. More food for thought ;). |
