|Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2001 - 6:14 am: |
I grew up with RM and MERP and it's a little late in the day to go changing. I can say that I probably will buy the new game just for additional source material as you can never have too much. Anything which enriches my role-playing group has got to be a bonus. ICE is dead but obviously not forgotten.
Jason Mulligan (sulimo)
|Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2001 - 3:27 am: |
I really doubt I'll touch the Decipher material. Beyond my passion for MERP/RM, there is the added problem of the new material meshing with the 'ICE Canon'. Hell, the Decipher game could be based on the Jackson interpretation.
|Posted on Monday, July 30, 2001 - 10:14 am: |
"could be"? It is based on the Jackson interpretation, i.e. the RPGs for the new LotR movies, though Jackson's interpretation may not necessarily be a bad thing. We'll just have to wait and see.
Jason Mulligan (sulimo)
|Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2001 - 8:52 pm: |
Well if it definely is based on the film version
I wont be bothering.
At least they arent putting out a novelisation of the film script.
|Posted on Friday, August 03, 2001 - 3:56 pm: |
hehehe, that'd be funny. Written by Terry Brooks...
|Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2001 - 9:08 am: |
The opinions of the hardcore Tolkien purists amongst us probably carry very little weight with Jackson and New Line, and probably not much more with Decipher. That's partly because there are relatively few of us, partly because we're most vocal on subjects where we're directly anti-commercialist, and partly...
...Because some of us are such addicts! We'll buy the game just to have a copy in our personal libraries, even if we're never in any danger of playing the thing.
The latest rumour has it that it'll be aimed at a more 'heroic' feel than other games. No surprises there, but I still winced to see it confirmed. When I read 'heroic' (or the old 'encourages role-playing instead of rule-playing') my Babel fish translates it to 'short on content' and 'aimed at ****wits'. :-/
But saying all that, my manytimes-tweaked house rules have done everything they can short of departing altogether from their original underlying MERP/RM(old) system. If LotR-RPG has an elegant basic framework, I might put the work in and port them over.
|Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 7:45 am: |
I won't comment on Decipher's game (which I have not and probably will not look at very closely), or on the "Movie vs. Book" issue (which is being beaten to death in other threads). But I think a couple of statements in the Decipher press release in the January 2002 Guild Companion are especially telling -- and probably not in a good way.
"The Lord of the Rings Adventure Game, the first of Decipher¹s roleplaying games (RPGs) for New Line Cinema¹s epic adventure ..."
"The Adventure Game includes a complete adventure narrative, Through the Mines of Moria, drawn from The Fellowship of the Ring, the first film of the trilogy." (emphasis added)
particularly stood out.
|Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:13 am: |
The AG was/is produced by someone else besides Steve Long. Steve Long designed the RPG (and the final draft has been submitted), and is not a fan of the Movie...and has stated that the RPG is totally independent of the film, solely based on the books. Of course, Steve has recently left Decipher and is now involved in the ownership of Hero Games...so there is no telling if the new Decipher RPG head will be as book-centric as SL was.
Disclaimer: I am not in any way promoting or defending the LotR RPG...it sounds entirely to simplistic for my tastes...I'm just hoping that the future sourcebooks will be usable for my MERP material .
|Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:46 am: |
AFAIK, Decipher's Roleplaying game will be solely based in the books, while the card game will be based in the movies. As such, some discrepancies will appear between some characters, such as Saruman, who have different roles in the movies and in the books.
The problem with Decipher's license is that they only have a deal with The Lord of the Rings. As such, they cannot include other references found in books such as The Silmarillion. I guess that, for while, MERP will still be the Tolkien's reference in games
|Posted on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 4:17 pm: |
Steve joined Hero? I'll have to go back to www.herogames.com and see if 5th edition is coming out any time soon...
|Posted on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 2:10 am: |
shnar...he skims over some of his plans for herogames on the decipher board (http://calder.decipher.com/cgi-bin/msgbd?lotr-rpg)...it is a crappy format, and it takes forever to find something, conveniently all of Steve's posts are in green . My understanding isn't that he joined herogames...he, and others, BOUGHT herogames .
ron...my understanding is that ICE had the same rights as Decipher has...Steve Long/Decipher are slavishly sticking to the 4 core books, where ICE was (quite) a bit more expansive. Steve Long has stated, on one board or another, that if it isn't in the books...it isn't in the game. A VERY myopic point of view imo.
|Posted on Friday, January 11, 2002 - 8:51 pm: |
I agree with you, Jason/Turambur. While it is possible to enjoy the LotR without the other books, it is hard to _fully_ understand it. ICE had the disadvantage of starting without the HoME. But totally ignoring Silmarillion, HoME, and Tolkiens clarifications and annotations in his letters is a surefire way to alienate Tolkienites and NOT be true to the spirit of the works.
|Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:28 am: |
I guess we can blame such omission and alienation on Tolkien Enterprises, who has a rather narrow-minded view of Middle-earth.